From grog@lemis.com Tue May 6 17:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970E3979F2 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:47:32 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) id 1D9D651A35; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:47:32 +0930 (CST) Delivered-To: buga@lemis.com Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B5151A68; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:47:32 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:47:32 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: BSD User Group of Adelaide Message-ID: <20030506081732.GR52037@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZRLamLUCLuRJXeX8" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Subject: [Buga] BUGA mailing list moving Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --ZRLamLUCLuRJXeX8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm moving the BUGA mailing list, currently buga@lemis.com, to the AUUG mail server. In future, the mailing list will be buga@auug.org.au. You don't need to do anything special. You'll be automatically subscribed to the new list. There were a couple of reasons for this change: 1. My system is on a dialup modem. When messages come in, they block the modem for several minutes at a time. 2. majordomoo@lemis.com has become a major spam target. I can't refuse to reply, and when I do, it just generates more spam. I can't move to mailman or some other web-based system because I block port 80 on my network. 3. AUUG (not just myself :-) is happy to host the list. buga@lemis.com will continue to work for the foreseeable future; it will just forward the message to buga@auug.org.au. In relationship to port 80: yes, we have a couple of web servers here. But the entire class C network is being bombarded with one to two connection attempts per second. Here's the output of my (Linux) firewall: # uptime sat-gw up 11+07:15, 0 users, load 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 # iptables -L -nvx|grep : Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 61 packets, 6886 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source =A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 destination 1517200 75246847 DROP tcp -- sm200d * 0.0.0.0/0 = 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:80 In case anybody's asking, I use Linux here because I don't have a FreeBSD driver for the satellite receiver card I'm using. AUUG uses mailman for mailing list management. You should soon receive a message describing what to do. If you don't, or if you have any questions, please contact me. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers --ZRLamLUCLuRJXeX8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+t2+cIubykFB6QiMRAmM0AKCYGM7Eio6TOK5GPA+qbjNTcVKwqACfd20v zono7znzbZ/WAoX76DiKvXA= =yeSW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZRLamLUCLuRJXeX8-- From grog@lemis.com Tue May 6 18:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D74D976DB for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 18:12:12 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DD1451A6F; Tue, 6 May 2003 18:12:11 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:12:11 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: BSD User Group of Adelaide Subject: Re: [Buga] BUGA mailing list moving Message-ID: <20030506084211.GS52037@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030506081732.GR52037@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hEarWVD7htqb1VxP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030506081732.GR52037@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --hEarWVD7htqb1VxP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 6 May 2003 at 17:47:32 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > I'm moving the BUGA mailing list, currently buga@lemis.com, to the > AUUG mail server. In future, the mailing list will be > buga@auug.org.au. You don't need to do anything special. You'll be > automatically subscribed to the new list. Oops, this message was supposed to go to the address above. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers --hEarWVD7htqb1VxP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+t3VjIubykFB6QiMRAnGVAJ9T3o5WLyy06BFkkWBUtDy06kWcmACghVbU pTK2GnWJvsw1R2kkAEEMM6I= =buF0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hEarWVD7htqb1VxP-- From richard@yellowgoanna.com Wed May 7 13:33:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from pogona.yellowgoanna.com (202-6-145-73.ip.adam.com.au [202.6.145.73]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55B1976DF for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 13:33:27 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by pogona.yellowgoanna.com with local; Wed, 07 May 2003 13:33:28 +0930 From: "Richard Russell" To: buga@auug.org.au Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 13:33:28 +0930 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Subject: [Buga] Promise onboard IDE/RAID Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, Has anyone installed FreeBSD 4.8 or 5.0 onto a promise onboard IDE/RAID drive? Any gotchas? Which model of promise chip was being used? (20265, 20269, 20276) Are the offboard cards substantially better in any way? Cheers rr -- Richard Russell Yellow Goanna P/L m: +61 412 827 805 e: richard@yellowgoanna.com w: http://www.yellowgoanna.com/ From DarrenWilliams@power-solutions.com.au Wed May 7 14:06:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA74B976DF for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:06:37 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) id E001A51A8A; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:06:36 +0930 (CST) Delivered-To: buga@lemis.com Received: from mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta04.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.84]) by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB56B51A78 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:06:34 +0930 (CST) Received: from psd.net ([63.34.203.32]) by mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20030507043627.HDRQ1341.mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au@psd.net>; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:36:27 +1000 Received: from Spooler by psd.net (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO0000B0; 7 May 03 14:10:53 +0930 Received: from spooler by psd.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 7 May 03 14:10:25 +0930 Received: from darren (10.10.1.23) by psd.net (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MG0000AF; 7 May 03 14:10:00 +0930 From: "Darren Williams" To: "LinuxSA" , "BSD User Group of Adelaide" Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:09:59 +0930 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Subject: [Buga] Dynalink RTA-100 ADSL Modem compatible with Linux & FreeBSD Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hello All Just a small inquiry. Does anyone know if the Dynalink RTA-100 adsl modem is compatible with Linux & FreeBSD? This modem has a built in router setup for internet sharing. Do you see any problems with a heterogeneous network using this as the gateway to the internet, apart from the issue of security? Cheers, Darren Williams Power Solutions Dtd Pty Ltd Did you know: "PSD has now extended its solutions to include an innovative web based ICD Coding audit tool for hospital use." 62 Unley Road, Unley South Australia 5061 Australia Ph: 08 8305 1584 Fax: 08 8272 2681 E-mail: darrenwilliams@power-solutions.com.au Web Site: http://www.power-solutions.com.au From dlloyd@microbits.com.au Wed May 7 14:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB55F976DF for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:11:40 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) id 2860351A91; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:11:40 +0930 (CST) Delivered-To: buga@lemis.com Received: from mail.microbits.com.au (gateway.microbits.com.au [203.34.180.8]) by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 481A651A78 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:11:32 +0930 (CST) Received: from orthanc.stepney.microbits.com.au by mail.microbits.com.au; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:11:03 +0930 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:11:04 +0930 From: David Lloyd To: "Darren Williams" Cc: linuxsa@linuxsa.org.au, buga@lemis.com Message-Id: <20030507141104.6696b341.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Microbits X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.IU)+sk(6YkCj7E" Subject: [Buga] Re: Dynalink RTA-100 ADSL Modem compatible with Linux & FreeBSD Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=.IU)+sk(6YkCj7E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Darren, > Just a small inquiry. Does anyone know if the Dynalink RTA-100 adsl > modem is compatible with Linux & FreeBSD? This modem has a built in > router setup for internet sharing. Do you see any problems with a > heterogeneous network using this as the gateway to the internet, apart > from the issue of security? If it's one of those black box things that don't need to communicate with the OS at all (except for a browser setup utility) then there should be no problems. DSL -- Microbits Linux Technician 08 8362 9220 --=.IU)+sk(6YkCj7E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+uI5hNBhAwwyvg/kRAipQAJoD8CRhRxSrx6lnWY+yAQnhhwBFSACcCRkj mcitnxxyjzDDWbT0rIRCVjk= =bAQg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.IU)+sk(6YkCj7E-- From Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Thu May 8 11:51:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4437C99848 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 11:51:03 +0930 (CST) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id h482LM7U022360 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 11:51:23 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 8 May 2003 11:50:46 +0930 Received: from ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.81]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h482Cn820558; Thu, 8 May 2003 11:42:50 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.211]) by ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id J8WS66LW; Thu, 8 May 2003 11:42:44 +0930 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:42:52 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au To: buga@auug.org.au Message-ID: <20030508113346.T16341@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Buga] disklabel/bsdlabel Question Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, If I want to change the block size and fragment size of a BSD partition will newfs use the changed values I make in the disklabel or do I still have to use newfs options to specify the fsize and bsize ? In other words, by changing the values of the disklabel, does this make the new values the defaultfor newfs ? Thanks - aW From grog@lemis.com Thu May 8 12:52:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07B7976DF for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 12:52:54 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) id 9827C51A97; Thu, 8 May 2003 12:52:54 +0930 (CST) Delivered-To: buga@lemis.com Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FC5E51A98; Thu, 8 May 2003 12:52:54 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:52:54 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Daniel A Moore Cc: linuxsa , BSD User Group of Adelaide Message-ID: <20030508032254.GE94580@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3EB899CF.5060302@gropep.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EB899CF.5060302@gropep.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Subject: [Buga] Re: FreeBSD blues... Tape drive... not even google knows why :( Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday, 7 May 2003 at 14:59:51 +0930, Daniel A Moore wrote: > Hello all... I have been trying to solve this problem for weeks and > there doesn't seem anywhere on the net that can help. You know about http://www.auug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/buga, right? I would have thought that would have been a more relevant list to send this message to. > I seem to be having a "little" trouble with my tape drive. I "aquired" a > SONY AIT SDX-S300C tape drive and am trying to put it to use on my > FreeBSD 4.4. I installed the SCSI card and that works, I have some > mounted SCSI drives running off it. I have put all the jumpers to the > positions that the Sony page says are for Unix... they don't say > anything about FreeBSD in particular. I can access the tape drive > through the mt command. I can rewind the tape, I can delete the tape. > But here's where the trouble starts: > > dump -0u -b 512 -f /dev/sa0 /home > > I found on the Sony site that the block size was meant to be 512 so I > put it just in case (-b 512). However this outputs : > > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed May 7 13:55:15 2003 > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch > DUMP: Dumping /home to /dev/sa0 > DUMP: bad sblock magic number > DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. > > I read somewhere that FreeBSD only does dumps to entire devices... I > didn't really believe this but I tried it anyway: > > dump -0u -b 512 -f /dev/sa0 / > > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed May 7 14:09:07 2003 > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch > DUMP: Dumping /home to /dev/sa0 This doesn't appear to match the command you mention above. > DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] > DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] > DUMP: estimated 462375 tape blocks on 10.61 tape(s). > DUMP: 0.11% done, finished in 0:00 > DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] > DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] > DUMP: Closing /dev/sa0 > DUMP: Change Volumes: Mount volume #2 > DUMP: Is the new volume mounted and ready to go?: ("yes" or "no") > > This process takes about 5 minutes to get to this point. Now this can't > be right. I am using the SDX1-25C tape media and that has an > uncompressed capacity of 25 GB! With hardware compression that's 50. > Perhaps it's dumping data to the contents information portion of the > tape or something. I don't know what's going on. dump is stupid. > I have read about someone getting it working by installing an MX > driver but I have no idea what that is or even where to look for it. What's an MX driver? > So can anyone give me a little insight into what's going on or even > just give me some ideas as to where to go to next? Apart from this > using FreeBSD has been a dream. The thing here is that end-of-medium handling on modern tapes is just plain broken, so dump makes assumptions about how long the tape is. They're based on much older tapes. You have a number of options here. =46rom dump(8): -a ``auto-size''. Bypass all tape length considerations, and enforce writing until an end-of-media indication is returned. This fits best for most modern tape drives. Use of this option is particularly recommended when appending to an existing tape, or using a tape drive with hardware compression (where you can never be sure about the compression ratio). -B records The number of kilobytes per output volume, except that if it is not an integer multiple of the output block size, the command uses the next smaller such multiple. This option overrides the calculation of tape size based on length and density. -d density Set tape density to density. The default is 1600BPI. Note that default. -s feet Attempt to calculate the amount of tape needed at a particular density. If this amount is exceeded, dump prompts for a new tape. It is recommended to be a bit conservative on this opti= on. The default tape length is 2300 feet. These parameters are correct for the tapes used on VAXen 20 years ago. They give you a default capacity per tape of 46 MB, unless they also make assumptions about tape gaps. > Oh yeah and when I try a restore (just for the heck of it, I've never > tried to complete the 10 tape series, as I don't have 10 tapes :( ): > > restore -if /dev/sa0 > > It makes some whirring noise and the busy light goes on... > > (sa0:sym0:0:0): 65536-byte tape record bigger than supplied buffer > tape read error: Input/output error > May 7 14:23:29 testbed /kernel: (sa0:sym0:0:0): 65536-byte tape record bi= gger than supplied buffer > May 7 14:23:29 testbed /kernel: (sa0:sym0:0:0): 65536-byte tape record bi= gger than supplied buffer Yes, that's reasonable, since you've used the -b 512 option. Again, from the man page: -b blocksize The number of kilobytes per output block, except that if it is larger than 64, the command uses 64. (See the BUGS section.) = The default block size is 10. BUGS Currently, physio(9) slices all requests into chunks of 64 KB. There- fore, it is impossible to use a larger output block size, so dump will prevent this from happening. This bug is in fact incorrect; physio(9) now does 128 kB. Anyway, you need to specify -b 64 to restore as well. As others have observed, though, there are better choices. On tape I use tar, because the format is more portable. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+uc2OIubykFB6QiMRAk6cAKCQRssvP+PMp6Jx/P0n0MzZ+nJ1jQCfRDxq Ai1rRkxncoByO7sLQlDCLvM= =7aXA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI-- From grog@lemis.com Thu May 8 13:28:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AB499846 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:28:45 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71B0751A98; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:28:45 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:28:45 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Alex Wilkinson Cc: buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] disklabel/bsdlabel Question Message-ID: <20030508035845.GH94580@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030508113346.T16341@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Rn7IEEq3VEzCw+ji" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030508113346.T16341@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --Rn7IEEq3VEzCw+ji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, 8 May 2003 at 11:42:52 +0930, Alex Wilkinson wrote: > Hi all, > > If I want to change the block size and fragment size of a BSD > partition will newfs use the changed values I make in the disklabel No. > or do I still have to use newfs options to specify the fsize and > bsize ? Yes. A lot of the fields in disklabel are obsolete. I think these are some of them. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --Rn7IEEq3VEzCw+ji Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+udX1IubykFB6QiMRAnakAJ4gJoZ6XV/o0dAYNeaohN3rc5aPWQCfUFAx UMZVHKm6L3EgugGq/7eVzEs= =/2Jy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Rn7IEEq3VEzCw+ji-- From dlloyd@microbits.com.au Fri May 9 09:37:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mail.microbits.com.au (gateway.microbits.com.au [203.34.180.8]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with SMTP id F166B99956 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 09:37:52 +0930 (CST) Received: from orthanc.stepney.microbits.com.au by mail.microbits.com.au; Fri, 09 May 2003 09:37:34 +0930 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:37:40 +0930 From: David Lloyd To: buga@auug.org.au Message-Id: <20030509093740.1a1435a1.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> Organization: Microbits X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.MEVk/wCqdEcanp" Subject: [Buga] CAI-SA/CSDN-SA Meeting - 18 May 2003 - Marion Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=.MEVk/wCqdEcanp Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Fri__9_May_2003_09:37:40_+0930_081a6728" --Multipart_Fri__9_May_2003_09:37:40_+0930_081a6728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi There, There will be a meeting at Romana Challan's on 18 May 2003. Date: 18 May 2003 (Sunday) Venue: FOR DETAILS: lloy0076@adam.com.au dlloyd@microbits.com.au Time: 1300 Bring: Nibbles, Drinks Contact: 0402 440993 This meeting is to discuss: 1) Work for the Dole We need to have the infrastructure for this ready TWO WEEKS at least before the scheme starts. This gives us at most 5 weeks from TODAY. 2) Paid Coordinator We need to determine the process for appointing/employing said position. 3) Future Directions We need to discuss the possible incorporation of ComputerBank SA with the CSDN-SA. Romana and I -- after having a bun-fight behind the scenes -- will post a discussion paper about (3) to the CSDN-SA and CAI-SA list. DSL -- Microbits Linux Technician 08 8362 9220 -- Microbits Linux Technician 08 8362 9220 -- Microbits Linux Technician 08 8362 9220 --Multipart_Fri__9_May_2003_09:37:40_+0930_081a6728 Content-Type: text/plain; name="00000005.mimetmp" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="00000005.mimetmp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi There, There will be a meeting at Romana Challan's on 18 May 2003. Date: 18 May 2003 (Sunday) Venue: FOR DETAILS: lloy0076@adam.com.au dlloyd@microbits.com.au Time: 1300 Bring: Nibbles, Drinks Contact: 0402 440993 This meeting is to discuss: 1) Work for the Dole We need to have the infrastructure for this ready TWO WEEKS at least before the scheme starts. This gives us at most 5 weeks from TODAY. 2) Paid Coordinator We need to determine the process for appointing/employing said position. 3) Future Directions We need to discuss the possible incorporation of ComputerBank SA with the CSDN-SA. Romana and I -- after having a bun-fight behind the scenes -- will post a discussion paper about (3) to the CSDN-SA and CAI-SA list. DSL -- Microbits Linux Technician 08 8362 9220 -- Microbits Linux Technician 08 8362 9220 --Multipart_Fri__9_May_2003_09:37:40_+0930_081a6728 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="00000001.mimetmp" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="00000001.mimetmp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMi4yIChHTlUv TGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFFK3V1Ni9OQmhBd3d5dmcva1JBcEtGQUo5VGtnZ3phUGZHcENpV0hNTGVQ TDBqRm5ySUNRQ2VOZlcrCkdGZ1NpUU5qZFZvb1dMRU1KT0dMTjB3PQo9OGUrbAotLS0tLUVORCBQ R1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KCg== --Multipart_Fri__9_May_2003_09:37:40_+0930_081a6728-- --=.MEVk/wCqdEcanp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+uvFMNBhAwwyvg/kRAuHCAKCJVS2ncRRYkxAHAi9jK6sqUKyBgwCfdsNf yQ6JXEFr3SN5jcAXxpogQd4= =XQvx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.MEVk/wCqdEcanp-- From Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Fri May 9 17:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2A399850 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:05:58 +0930 (CST) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id h497aI7U021487 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:06:18 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:05:50 +0930 Received: from ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.81]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h497VW825438; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:01:32 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.211]) by ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id J8WS8AA9; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:01:25 +0930 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:01:32 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au To: buga@auug.org.au Message-ID: <20030509164859.I41849@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Buga] sudo && rsh question Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: I have a slight problem with running sudo over an rsh connection. If I rsh to a box and pass to it the sudo command my password gets echo'ed to stdout. eg # rsh host sudo ls / Password:thepassword It seems that this is a terminal handling problem. If I run: # rsh host xterm -e sudo ls / an exterm starts up and I can type my password in without it being echo'ed to stdout. The xterm then sits in the background. I have tryed using subshells and couldn't suss it out. Can anyone recommend a way so that the terminal does *not* echo my password when sudo prompts for it. Thanks - aW From grog@lemis.com Fri May 9 17:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955A999850 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:10:44 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D27D51A97; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:10:42 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:10:42 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Alex Wilkinson Cc: buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] sudo && rsh question Message-ID: <20030509074041.GI15610@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030509164859.I41849@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+9faIjRurCDpBc7U" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030509164859.I41849@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --+9faIjRurCDpBc7U Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 9 May 2003 at 17:01:32 +0930, Alex Wilkinson wrote: > I have a slight problem with running sudo over an rsh connection. > If I rsh to a box and pass to it the sudo command my password gets > echo'ed to stdout. > > eg > > # rsh host sudo ls / > Password:thepassword > > It seems that this is a terminal handling problem. It's probably dependent on the TERM environment variable that the rshd sees. > If I run: > > # rsh host xterm -e sudo ls / > > an exterm starts up and I can type my password in without it being > echo'ed to stdout. > The xterm then sits in the background. > > I have tryed using subshells and couldn't suss it out. > > Can anyone recommend a way so that the terminal does *not* echo my > password when sudo prompts for it. How about using ssh instead of rsh? rsh is borderline obsolete. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --+9faIjRurCDpBc7U Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+u1t5IubykFB6QiMRAv1SAJ0YlARqwbV1pBIT/tUSng/5bhrpngCdF0Sa TDbPYskxqr+9+12VKBZoV0U= =Om8T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+9faIjRurCDpBc7U-- From david.newall@auug.org.au Fri May 9 18:00:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net [203.16.214.194]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF3099954 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:00:43 +0930 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (ppp2077.sa.padsl.internode.on.net [150.101.28.28]) by smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h498Uisv083662; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:00:44 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:00:43 +0930 (CST) From: david.newall@auug.org.au X-X-Sender: davidn@localhost.localdomain To: "Wilkinson,Alex" Cc: buga@auug.org.au, In-Reply-To: <20030509164859.I41849@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Buga] Re: sudo && rsh question Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: "Wilkinson,Alex" wrote: > I have a slight problem with running sudo over an rsh connection. Why do you want to run rsh in the first place? It's more secure to use ssh with a shared key. The reason your password is echoed is that the remote socket is not a terminal device and so termio, which is used to turn echo on or off, is not available. From m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk Fri May 9 18:33:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FE299956 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:33:39 +0930 (CST) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4993Ww0021864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 May 2003 10:03:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost) by happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4993T4O021863; Fri, 9 May 2003 10:03:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:03:29 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: "Wilkinson,Alex" Cc: buga@auug.org.au, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030509090329.GB21358@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , "Wilkinson,Alex" , buga@auug.org.au, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20030508113346.T16341@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030508113346.T16341@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-35.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Subject: [Buga] Re: disklabel/bsdlabel Question Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:42:52AM +0930, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: > If I want to change the block size and fragment size of a BSD partition w= ill newfs use the > changed values I make in the disklabel or do I still have to use newfs op= tions to specify the > fsize and bsize ? >=20 > In other words, by changing the values of the disklabel, does this make t= he new values the defaultfor newfs ? Good question. It's not entirely clear from the newfs(8) and disklabel(8) man pages exactly what happens. Turning to the source code we see: in /usr/src/sbin/newfs.c: Variables declared and initialized to zero [...] int fsize =3D 0; /* fragment size */ int bsize =3D 0; /* block size */ [...] Values set from command line args, if present: case 'b': if ((bsize =3D atoi(optarg)) < MINBSIZE) fatal("%s: bad block size", optarg); break; [...] case 'f': if ((fsize =3D atoi(optarg)) <=3D 0) fatal("%s: bad fragment size", optarg); break; =20 [...] Read disklabel structure into 'lp' structure, and setup 'pp' as convenience pointer to the list of partitions from the disk label. if (mfs && disktype !=3D NULL) { lp =3D (struct disklabel *)getdiskbyname(disktype); if (lp =3D=3D NULL) fatal("%s: unknown disk type", disktype); pp =3D &lp->d_partitions[1]; (pp is later adjusted to point to the entry for partition in question) [...] If fsize and bsize have not yet been set to non-zero, use the value =66rom the partition entry in the disklabel, or failing that either (fsize) the default value from the parameters at the top of the disklabel or (bsize) calculate from the fsize value. if (fsize =3D=3D 0) { fsize =3D pp->p_fsize; if (fsize <=3D 0) fsize =3D MAX(DFL_FRAGSIZE, lp->d_secsize); } if (bsize =3D=3D 0) { bsize =3D pp->p_frag * pp->p_fsize; if (bsize <=3D 0) bsize =3D MIN(DFL_BLKSIZE, 8 * fsize); } [...] So, in short, the answer to your question is "yes". Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+u27hdtESqEQa7a0RAlclAJ9GUnR8hEWlnQ7wcZFbHxJaIT9oiwCfT12X wsBECCLj/vCuG4gbN6AmPUk= =jEI3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc-- From listone@deathbeforedecaf.net Fri May 9 22:52:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from zim.0x7e.net (zim.0x7e.net [203.38.184.132]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0A699954 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 22:52:42 +0930 (CST) Received: from goo.0x7e.net ([203.38.184.164] helo=goo) by zim.0x7e.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19E7pg-0003u0-00; Fri, 09 May 2003 22:52:40 +0930 Message-ID: <000c01c3162e$1135efc0$a4b826cb@goo> From: "Rob" To: Cc: , "freebsd-questions" References: <20030509164859.I41849@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:52:40 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Subject: [Buga] Re: sudo && rsh question Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is probably because the remote command doesn't have a tty, so it can't do things like disable echo. I can't see an option for rsh that fixes this - if you use ssh instead, the -t option will do exactly what you want. You can set up ssh to behave like rsh and use the .rhosts file for authentication (although this isn't the default). Unless you're on a completely isolated network, ssh might be a good idea regardless. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilkinson,Alex" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: sudo && rsh question > I have a slight problem with running sudo over an rsh connection. > If I rsh to a box and pass to it the sudo command my password gets echo'ed to stdout. > > eg > > # rsh host sudo ls / > Password:thepassword > > It seems that this is a terminal handling problem. > > If I run: > > # rsh host xterm -e sudo ls / > > an exterm starts up and I can type my password in without it being echo'ed to stdout. > > The xterm then sits in the background. > > I have tryed using subshells and couldn't suss it out. > > Can anyone recommend a way so that the terminal does *not* echo my password when sudo prompts > for it. > > Thanks > > - aW > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From Jarrod.Sayers@unisa.edu.au Mon May 12 08:42:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (unknown [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C3F976DE for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:42:25 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) id 85C6F51A9A; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:41:10 +0930 (CST) Delivered-To: buga@lemis.com Received: from exstaff9.city.unisa.edu.au (exstaff9.city.unisa.edu.au [130.220.84.77]) by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7299951A99 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:41:08 +0930 (CST) Received: by exstaff9.city.unisa.edu.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:41:03 +0930 Message-ID: <1099A28095159443B2FF2655C96BB20ACBCB3F@exstaffe.levels.unisa.edu.au> From: Jarrod Sayers To: buga@lemis.com Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:40:53 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Buga] FreeBSD 5.0 and su Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Buga, Ive always had this problem with FreeBSD 5 and have fixed it in the past but for the life of me, cant work it out this time around. Normally, only kiddies in the wheel group can actually run su. With Freebie 5, anyone can do it, aslong as they know the password. Ive followed the instructions in /etc/pam.d/su but that then breaks all su'ing to root for everyone, including me :) The server is at another campus so im not really in a position to break it, so if anyone has any definate ideas, please let me know. Thanks, Jarrod Sayers Information Strategy and Technology Services University of South Australia Phone: +61 8 8302 1348 "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't" From lloy0076@adam.com.au Tue May 13 07:37:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from postit.adam.com.au (postit.adam.com.au [203.2.124.173]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E29399CF8 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 07:37:17 +0930 (CST) Received: from lightning.adam.com.au (lightning.adam.com.au [203.2.124.20]) by postit.adam.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4CM8226067698 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 07:38:02 +0930 (CST) Received: (qmail 1581 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 22:07:18 -0000 Received: from 202-6-159-192.ip.adam.com.au (HELO bsd.david.net.au) (202.6.159.192) by eden.adam.com.au with SMTP; 12 May 2003 22:07:18 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David Lloyd (by way of David Lloyd ) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:41:55 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 To: buga@auug.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> Subject: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hmmm.... I am temporarily using a FreeBSD 4.7 box for my main machine--FreeBSD is = so familiar but so foreign--and am looking at getting KDM to manage my displ= ay. However, is there an easier way than what the handbook suggests about run= ning KDM? It suggests running around editing heaps of files which I don't want= to do... DSL -- He ran into my knife...he ran into my knife 10 times... If you'd had been there, you would have done the same! [Chicago - The Musical] From grog@lemis.com Tue May 13 09:39:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6F599CFD for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:39:50 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22AD351A94; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:39:50 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:39:50 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: David Lloyd Cc: buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Message-ID: <20030513000950.GD39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="osDK9TLjxFScVI/L" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --osDK9TLjxFScVI/L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 13 May 2003 at 8:41:55 +0930, David Lloyd wrote: > > I am temporarily using a FreeBSD 4.7 box for my main > machine--FreeBSD is so familiar but so foreign--and am looking at > getting KDM to manage my display. However, is there an easier way > than what the handbook suggests about running KDM? If you mean the FreeBSD handbook, I wouldn't rely on it for this sort of thing. > It suggests running around editing heaps of files which I don't want > to do... Do you know how to set up kdm on Linux? I would expect that it would work the same way. KDE is neither Linux nor FreeBSD. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --osDK9TLjxFScVI/L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+wDfOIubykFB6QiMRAjl8AJ4qiqV0IfjBW8Gerr7vJHOPilinuQCeJrfB 8O/2mbh2Dh44nlEx+ekXZrA= =7jie -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --osDK9TLjxFScVI/L-- From grog@lemis.com Tue May 13 09:42:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A3999CFD for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:42:44 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9CB451A95; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:42:44 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:42:44 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: David Lloyd Cc: buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Message-ID: <20030513001244.GE39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <20030513000950.GD39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X3gaHHMYHkYqP6yf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030513000950.GD39132@auug.org.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --X3gaHHMYHkYqP6yf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 13 May 2003 at 9:39:50 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 13 May 2003 at 8:41:55 +0930, David Lloyd wrote: >> >> I am temporarily using a FreeBSD 4.7 box for my main >> machine--FreeBSD is so familiar but so foreign--and am looking at >> getting KDM to manage my display. However, is there an easier way >> than what the handbook suggests about running KDM? > > If you mean the FreeBSD handbook, I wouldn't rely on it for this sort > of thing. > >> It suggests running around editing heaps of files which I don't want >> to do... > > Do you know how to set up kdm on Linux? I would expect that it would > work the same way. KDE is neither Linux nor FreeBSD. FWIW, I just tried it on my laptop. Ran kdm with no parameters. It came up with a login screen with a list of possible login IDs (probably a bad idea from a security point of view). I entered my login and password, and it started KDE for me. I've never used kdm before, though I have used KDE. It seems it doesn't need much in the way of configuration. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --X3gaHHMYHkYqP6yf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+wDh8IubykFB6QiMRAgzzAJ43VvEQ9qozvQ7pxd1lOd0npfjCIwCgnWwk h1Lio5Ee8F34n7M/vDpOpkU= =ZK42 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X3gaHHMYHkYqP6yf-- From dlloyd@microbits.com.au Tue May 13 09:46:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mail.microbits.com.au (gateway.microbits.com.au [203.34.180.8]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with SMTP id E342599CFD; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:46:50 +0930 (CST) Received: from orthanc.stepney.microbits.com.au by mail.microbits.com.au; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:46:02 +0930 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:46:16 +0930 From: David Lloyd To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Cc: lloy0076@adam.com.au, buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Message-Id: <20030513094616.389b237b.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20030513001244.GE39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <20030513000950.GD39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030513001244.GE39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> Organization: Microbits X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.O4v'tuG_.9Ad?L" Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=.O4v'tuG_.9Ad?L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg, > Do you know how to set up kdm on Linux? I would expect that it > would work the same way. KDE is neither Linux nor FreeBSD. Yes...depending on which Linux you happen to be using. It tends to startup under the SysV runlevel system. > FWIW, I just tried it on my laptop. Ran kdm with no parameters. It > came up with a login screen with a list of possible login IDs > (probably a bad idea from a security point of view). I entered my I tried to set it up under /etc/ttys (replacing xdm with kdm and then substituting the "off" for "on"). However, kdm really complains then... *sigh* I am going to have to write an "rc" script... DSL -- Microbits Linux Technician 08 8362 9220 --=.O4v'tuG_.9Ad?L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+wDlQNBhAwwyvg/kRAkYOAKCD4tqZQH360nTB2y7uAFJa5RGbXgCeJq5o lN0gwbjm88ds6+7v4gVQEo4= =5j7t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.O4v'tuG_.9Ad?L-- From grog@lemis.com Tue May 13 10:15:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A3699CFD for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 10:15:54 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 554D551A95; Tue, 13 May 2003 10:15:54 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:15:54 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: David Lloyd Cc: lloy0076@adam.com.au, buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Message-ID: <20030513004554.GF39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <20030513000950.GD39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030513001244.GE39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030513094616.389b237b.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aPdhxNJGSeOG9wFI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030513094616.389b237b.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --aPdhxNJGSeOG9wFI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, 13 May 2003 at 9:46:16 +0930, David Lloyd wrote: > > Greg, > >> Do you know how to set up kdm on Linux? I would expect that it >> would work the same way. KDE is neither Linux nor FreeBSD. > > Yes...depending on which Linux you happen to be using. It tends to > startup under the SysV runlevel system. Ah, you want an automatic startup. That wasn't clear. >> FWIW, I just tried it on my laptop. Ran kdm with no parameters. It >> came up with a login screen with a list of possible login IDs >> (probably a bad idea from a security point of view). I entered my > > I tried to set it up under /etc/ttys (replacing xdm with kdm and then > substituting the "off" for "on"). However, kdm really complains then... Hmm, yes, it doesn't seem to take any parameters, and it gets handed some by init. There's no man page or other docco, and It's also too stupid to check if the process in the pid file is still running. =20 > *sigh* > > I am going to have to write an "rc" script... Well, as a last resort you could start it in /etc/rc.local. I'd suggest something like this: killall kdm rm -f /var/run/kdm.pid kdm & Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --aPdhxNJGSeOG9wFI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+wEBCIubykFB6QiMRAnavAJ9gpEFB1EGESsgRV/80NLThLlHYlACfZpoR e0cl4Fb3i1fj1U0KogNmSU8= =jRU7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aPdhxNJGSeOG9wFI-- From Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Tue May 13 13:31:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED14199CF7 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:31:15 +0930 (CST) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id h4D41Z7U000532 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:31:35 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:31:11 +0930 Received: from ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.81]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h4D400821837 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:30:00 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.211]) by ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id K5HFJK1T; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:29:47 +0930 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:30:02 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au To: buga@auug.org.au Message-ID: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Buga] /etc/issue Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? - aW From grog@lemis.com Tue May 13 13:53:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C5D99CFA for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:53:37 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CC6551A87; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:53:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:53:37 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Alex Wilkinson Cc: buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue Message-ID: <20030513042337.GJ39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hk6Zb6cduJ+I0Tmj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --hk6Zb6cduJ+I0Tmj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 13 May 2003 at 13:30:02 +0930, Alex Wilkinson wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? Will /etc/motd do the job? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --hk6Zb6cduJ+I0Tmj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+wHNJIubykFB6QiMRAqPLAJ4zzxVQR0vMZaeWQbwBUtXa6utXCwCbB1Y2 o7UWz6HXKC28yJc/BQEnMjI= =CzeB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hk6Zb6cduJ+I0Tmj-- From glewis@eyesbeyond.com Tue May 13 13:58:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835F499D03 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:58:21 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail by mgr2.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FROa-000103-02 for buga@auug.org.au; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:28:08 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FRMl-0008Pm-02; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:26:16 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4D4VHQf063773; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4D4VFkV063772; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:31:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:31:14 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: "Wilkinson,Alex" Cc: buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue Message-ID: <20030513043114.GA63602@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:30:02PM +0930, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? Doesn't seem to be an equivalent per se, although it looks like you could achieve the same result using the login_prompt setting of login.conf(5). I haven't actually tried fiddling with the setting, but it looks like it can be used to do what you want. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Tue May 13 14:01:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE06399CFD; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:01:51 +0930 (CST) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id h4D4WB7U003456; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:02:11 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:01:22 +0930 Received: from ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.81]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h4D4Qb829251; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:56:37 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.211]) by ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id K5HFJLGV; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:56:24 +0930 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:56:39 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Cc: buga@auug.org.au Subject: [Buga] /etc/issue In-Reply-To: <20030513042337.GJ39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20030513135551.A49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> References: <20030513042337.GJ39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: :Will /etc/motd do the job? No. I need it before login. - aW From glewis@eyesbeyond.com Tue May 13 14:08:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666D599D03 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:08:19 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail by mgr2.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FRVc-0004e8-02 for buga@auug.org.au; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:35:24 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FRUT-00045e-02; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:34:14 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4D4dFQf063879; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4D4dD7Z063878; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:39:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:39:12 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Cc: Alex Wilkinson , buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue Message-ID: <20030513043912.GB63602@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20030513042337.GJ39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030513042337.GJ39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=8.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:53:37PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 13 May 2003 at 13:30:02 +0930, Alex Wilkinson wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? > > Will /etc/motd do the job? No, Linux already has /etc/motd. /etc/issue is displayed before the login prompt, whereas /etc/motd is displayed after a successful login but before the shell. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From philk@rotfl.com.au Tue May 13 14:05:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mail.rotfl.com.au (eth1779.sa.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.235.242]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FB999CFD for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:05:08 +0930 (CST) Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue In-Reply-To: <20030513043114.GA63602@misty.eyesbeyond.com> To: Greg Lewis Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:05:09 +0930 (CST) Cc: "Wilkinson,Alex" , buga@auug.org.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL98b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20030513043509.D92D524@mail.rotfl.com.au> From: philk@rotfl.com.au (Phil Kernick) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: > > Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? > > Doesn't seem to be an equivalent per se, although it looks like you could > achieve the same result using the login_prompt setting of login.conf(5). > I haven't actually tried fiddling with the setting, but it looks like it > can be used to do what you want. Umm, not that I've tried it, but /etc/issue ShouldJustWork(tm). $ man telnetd ... NOTES By default telnetd will read the he, hn, and im capabilities from /etc/gettytab and use that information (if present) to determine what to display before the login: prompt. You can also use a System V style /etc/issue file by using the if capability, which will override im. The information specified in either im or if will be displayed to both con- sole and remote logins. $ cat /etc/gettytab ... default:\ :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:im=\r\n%s/%m (%h) (%t)\r\n\r\n:sp#1200:\ :if=/etc/issue: The default banner is the "im" attribute, and a file is the "if" attribute. The default is /etc/issue. Phil. From Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Tue May 13 14:51:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D4B99D0A for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:51:35 +0930 (CST) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id h4D5Lr7U006994 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:51:53 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:51:19 +0930 Received: from ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.81]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h4D5HW813555; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:47:32 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.211]) by ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id K5HFJM9K; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:47:20 +0930 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:47:34 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au To: philk@rotfl.com.au Cc: Greg Lewis , buga@auug.org.au Subject: [Buga] /etc/issue In-Reply-To: <20030513043509.D92D524@mail.rotfl.com.au> Message-ID: <20030513144437.J49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> References: <20030513043509.D92D524@mail.rotfl.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: mmm, doesn't seem to work. I've created an /etc/issue file and nothing gets displayed. Do I have to HUP anything for this to work ? -aW : By default telnetd will read the he, hn, and im capabilities from : /etc/gettytab and use that information (if present) to determine what to : display before the login: prompt. You can also use a System V style : /etc/issue file by using the if capability, which will override im. The : information specified in either im or if will be displayed to both con- : sole and remote logins. : :$ cat /etc/gettytab : :... : :default:\ : :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:im=\r\n%s/%m (%h) (%t)\r\n\r\n:sp#1200:\ : :if=/etc/issue: : :The default banner is the "im" attribute, and a file is the "if" attribute. :The default is /etc/issue. From doconnor@gsoft.com.au Tue May 13 14:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FA099D03 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:56:40 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4D5QXIW005006; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:56:36 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:26:29 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Cc: buga@auug.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305130726.29584.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 13 May 2003 06:00, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: > Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? According to the gettytab man page issue is supported and the default gettytab has it enabled, but it doesn't appear to work :( -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 From doconnor@gsoft.com.au Tue May 13 14:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32ADD99D03; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:58:34 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4D5SOIW005063; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:58:27 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: David Lloyd Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:28:22 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: lloy0076@adam.com.au, buga@auug.org.au, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <20030513001244.GE39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030513094616.389b237b.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20030513094616.389b237b.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305130728.22077.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 13 May 2003 02:16, David Lloyd wrote: > > FWIW, I just tried it on my laptop. Ran kdm with no parameters. It > > came up with a login screen with a list of possible login IDs > > (probably a bad idea from a security point of view). I entered my > > I tried to set it up under /etc/ttys (replacing xdm with kdm and then > substituting the "off" for "on"). However, kdm really complains then... I use kdm from /etc/init.. ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure Works fine. BTW Greg, you can disable the list of users thing :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 From grog@lemis.com Tue May 13 15:18:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33DA99D03 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:18:42 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C790951A7C; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:18:42 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:18:42 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Daniel O'Connor Cc: David Lloyd , lloy0076@adam.com.au, buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Message-ID: <20030513054842.GK39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <20030513001244.GE39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030513094616.389b237b.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> <200305130728.22077.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Rex5+51txc1ort/q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200305130728.22077.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --Rex5+51txc1ort/q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 13 May 2003 at 7:28:22 +0200, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 02:16, David Lloyd wrote: >>> FWIW, I just tried it on my laptop. Ran kdm with no parameters. It >>> came up with a login screen with a list of possible login IDs >>> (probably a bad idea from a security point of view). I entered my >> >> I tried to set it up under /etc/ttys (replacing xdm with kdm and then >> substituting the "off" for "on"). However, kdm really complains then... > > I use kdm from /etc/init.. > ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure > > Works fine. Hmm. So it does. How (apart from guesswork) can you find out about -nodaemon? > BTW Greg, you can disable the list of users thing :) What list of users thing? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --Rex5+51txc1ort/q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+wIc6IubykFB6QiMRAiB3AJ9c0q74ewT96/mZmg/Gl7RUF+LBkACgkKNm ksb0Aj9h5+1f0Eg6b/BX1iM= =UDuc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Rex5+51txc1ort/q-- From glewis@eyesbeyond.com Tue May 13 15:19:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mgr1.xmission.com (mgr1.xmission.com [198.60.22.201]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3FA99D0C for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:19:07 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail by mgr1.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FSe2-00006Z-01 for buga@auug.org.au; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:48:10 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr1.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FSc1-0007rZ-01; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:46:06 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4D5p7Qf064366; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4D5p44M064365; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:51:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:51:04 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Phil Kernick Cc: "Wilkinson,Alex" , buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue Message-ID: <20030513055104.GA64159@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20030513043114.GA63602@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20030513043509.D92D524@mail.rotfl.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030513043509.D92D524@mail.rotfl.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=8.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 02:05:09PM +0930, Phil Kernick wrote: > > > Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? > > > > Doesn't seem to be an equivalent per se, although it looks like you could > > achieve the same result using the login_prompt setting of login.conf(5). > > I haven't actually tried fiddling with the setting, but it looks like it > > can be used to do what you want. > > Umm, not that I've tried it, but /etc/issue ShouldJustWork(tm). You're right of course :). I was expecting an issue(5) and missed the setting when I skimmed gettytab(5). My excuse calendar says "lack of sleep", so I'll go with that :). -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From glewis@eyesbeyond.com Tue May 13 15:19:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mgr5.xmission.com (mgr5.xmission.com [198.60.22.205]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F3B99D0C for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:19:58 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail by mgr5.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FSfm-0002UV-05 for buga@auug.org.au; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:49:59 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr5.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FSfd-0002S0-05; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:49:50 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4D5sqQf064418; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4D5sn1x064417; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:54:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:54:48 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au, buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue Message-ID: <20030513055448.GB64159@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> <200305130726.29584.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200305130726.29584.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-37.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 07:26:29AM +0200, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 06:00, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: > > Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? > > According to the gettytab man page issue is supported and the default gettytab > has it enabled, but it doesn't appear to work :( Its working for me: # ls -l /etc/issue -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19 May 12 23:43 /etc/issue # cat /etc/issue Testing /etc/issue # killall -9 getty If I then switch to a virtual console "Testing /etc/issue" is being displayed before the system identification and login prompt. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Tue May 13 15:31:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478D599D0B for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:31:30 +0930 (CST) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id h4D61n7U009820 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:31:49 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:31:19 +0930 Received: from ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.81]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h4D5th820920; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:25:44 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.211]) by ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id K5HFJ3FK; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:25:31 +0930 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:25:45 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au To: Greg Lewis Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , buga@auug.org.au Subject: [Buga] /etc/issue In-Reply-To: <20030513055448.GB64159@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Message-ID: <20030513152227.G49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> References: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> <200305130726.29584.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20030513055448.GB64159@misty.eyesbeyond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Yes. That works for me also. However, telnetd does not seem to: man 8 telnetd "...read the he, hn, and im capabilities from /etc/gettytab and use that information (if present) to determine what to display before the login: prompt. " - aW :Its working for me: : :# ls -l /etc/issue :-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19 May 12 23:43 /etc/issue :# cat /etc/issue :Testing /etc/issue :# killall -9 getty : :If I then switch to a virtual console "Testing /etc/issue" is being :displayed before the system identification and login prompt. From doconnor@gsoft.com.au Tue May 13 15:34:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697C799D0E; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:34:26 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4D63tIW005945; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:34:06 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:03:50 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: David Lloyd , lloy0076@adam.com.au, buga@auug.org.au References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <200305130728.22077.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20030513054842.GK39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20030513054842.GK39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305130803.50773.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 13 May 2003 07:48, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > I use kdm from /etc/init.. > > ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure > > > > Works fine. > > Hmm. So it does. How (apart from guesswork) can you find out about > -nodaemon? That's how my xdm was run, so I just copied it. Makes sense if you realise that init will just keep restarting 'exiting'(ie backgrounding) kdm processes. > > BTW Greg, you can disable the list of users thing :) > What list of users thing? The list of users kdm shows when it starts, to give you one to choose to login as. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 From doconnor@gsoft.com.au Tue May 13 15:35:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3591099D0E for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:35:50 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4D65MIW006004; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:35:31 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Greg Lewis Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:05:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au, buga@auug.org.au References: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> <200305130726.29584.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20030513055448.GB64159@misty.eyesbeyond.com> In-Reply-To: <20030513055448.GB64159@misty.eyesbeyond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305130805.18705.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 13 May 2003 07:54, Greg Lewis wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 07:26:29AM +0200, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 06:00, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: > > > Is there an equivalent of /etc/issue in FreeBSD ? > > > > According to the gettytab man page issue is supported and the default > > gettytab has it enabled, but it doesn't appear to work :( > > Its working for me: > > # ls -l /etc/issue > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19 May 12 23:43 /etc/issue > # cat /etc/issue > Testing /etc/issue > # killall -9 getty > > If I then switch to a virtual console "Testing /etc/issue" is being > displayed before the system identification and login prompt. Ahh, before the login prompt.. Oops :) Works here too :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 From glewis@eyesbeyond.com Tue May 13 16:26:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mgr5.xmission.com (mgr5.xmission.com [198.60.22.205]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B228F99D0D for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 16:26:09 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail by mgr5.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FThq-0007aW-05 for buga@auug.org.au; Tue, 13 May 2003 00:56:10 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr5.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19FThd-0007Sj-05; Tue, 13 May 2003 00:55:58 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4D70xQf065156; Tue, 13 May 2003 01:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4D70ovo065155; Tue, 13 May 2003 01:00:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:00:49 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: "Wilkinson,Alex" Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] /etc/issue Message-ID: <20030513070049.GA64774@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20030513132915.K49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> <200305130726.29584.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20030513055448.GB64159@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20030513152227.G49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030513152227.G49254@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-46.5 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PATCH_UNIFIED_DIFF, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 03:25:45PM +0930, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: > Yes. That works for me also. However, telnetd does not seem to: > > man 8 telnetd > > "...read the he, hn, and im capabilities from /etc/gettytab and use that information > (if present) to determine what to display before the login: prompt. " You are correct. The code to do this was clobbered in rev. 1.30. The manual page wasn't updated though, which leads me to believe that maybe this clobbering was accidental? Please try the attached patch (against 4.8). -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="telnetd.diff" Index: libexec/telnetd/telnetd.c =================================================================== RCS file: /var/fcvs/src/libexec/telnetd/telnetd.c,v retrieving revision 1.22.2.8 diff -u -r1.22.2.8 telnetd.c --- libexec/telnetd/telnetd.c 13 Apr 2002 11:07:12 -0000 1.22.2.8 +++ libexec/telnetd/telnetd.c 13 May 2003 06:57:13 -0000 @@ -616,6 +616,10 @@ char *HE; char *HN; char *IM; + char *IF; + char *if_buf; + int if_fd; + struct stat statbuf; int nfd; /* @@ -781,8 +785,11 @@ HE = Getstr("he", &cp); HN = Getstr("hn", &cp); IM = Getstr("im", &cp); + IF = Getstr("if", &cp); if (HN && *HN) (void) strlcpy(host_name, HN, sizeof(host_name)); + if (IF && (if_fd = open(IF, O_RDONLY, 000)) != -1) + IM = 0; if (IM == 0) IM = strdup(""); } else { @@ -792,6 +799,14 @@ edithost(HE, host_name); if (hostinfo && *IM) putf(IM, ptyibuf2); + else if (IF && if_fd != -1) { + fstat (if_fd, &statbuf); + if_buf = (char *) mmap (0, statbuf.st_size, PROT_READ, + 0, if_fd, 0); + putf(if_buf, ptyibuf2); + munmap (if_buf, statbuf.st_size); + close (if_fd); + } if (pcc) (void) strncat(ptyibuf2, ptyip, pcc+1); --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From grog@lemis.com Wed May 14 12:00:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495CF99955 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:00:50 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2421051A95; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:00:50 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:00:50 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Daniel O'Connor Cc: David Lloyd , lloy0076@adam.com.au, buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Message-ID: <20030514023050.GC70087@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <200305130728.22077.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20030513054842.GK39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200305130803.50773.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KDt/GgjP6HVcx58l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200305130803.50773.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --KDt/GgjP6HVcx58l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 13 May 2003 at 8:03:50 +0200, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 07:48, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>> I use kdm from /etc/init.. >>> ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure >>> >>> Works fine. >> >> Hmm. So it does. How (apart from guesswork) can you find out about >> -nodaemon? > > That's how my xdm was run, so I just copied it. Makes sense if you realise > that init will just keep restarting 'exiting'(ie backgrounding) kdm > processes. The concept is fine. But why should kdm use the same options as xdm? One reason might be that it's a modified version, of course, but the correct answer should be "because it's in the man page". But kdm doesn't have a man page (or at least it doesn't get installed), and running it with --help gives nothing useful. >>> BTW Greg, you can disable the list of users thing :) >> What list of users thing? > > The list of users kdm shows when it starts, to give you one to > choose to login as. Ah. Good. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --KDt/GgjP6HVcx58l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+wapaIubykFB6QiMRAk1wAJ4o+EgfrAXYkV/wG4ceovQB/GK8DACfWnrN 5YoLx4ZO/gV4I9eiawhj8RI= =bSd4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KDt/GgjP6HVcx58l-- From dlloyd@microbits.com.au Wed May 14 12:05:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from mail.microbits.com.au (gateway.microbits.com.au [203.34.180.8]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E7EF99CFD; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:05:42 +0930 (CST) Received: from orthanc.stepney.microbits.com.au by mail.microbits.com.au; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:05:18 +0930 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:05:33 +0930 From: David Lloyd To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Cc: buga@auug.org.au Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Message-Id: <20030514120533.137ec20c.dlloyd@microbits.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20030514023050.GC70087@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <200305130728.22077.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20030513054842.GK39132@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200305130803.50773.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20030514023050.GC70087@wantadilla.lemis.com> Organization: Microbits X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.VVS7J7:S9By(mu" Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=.VVS7J7:S9By(mu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg, > The concept is fine. But why should kdm use the same options as xdm? No idea. > One reason might be that it's a modified version, of course, but the > correct answer should be "because it's in the man page". But kdm > doesn't have a man page (or at least it doesn't get installed), and > running it with --help gives nothing useful. Most of the KDE applications are like this. There's no sensible documentation around and what's in the KDE handbooks (i.e. the help you get when using the "Help" menu) isn't too useful to expert users or even semi-expert users. Besides which, how does one read the KDE handbook when KDE won't run? *sigh* DSL -- Microbits Linux Technician 08 8362 9220 --=.VVS7J7:S9By(mu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+wat1NBhAwwyvg/kRAucuAJ9NWqeu/uO4pvk+tYOqw0OGwgVGbgCcCM4U /ypoQmzET7wYoTsAY/X476A= =buBQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.VVS7J7:S9By(mu-- From doconnor@gsoft.com.au Wed May 14 14:33:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EF599CFA; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:33:47 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4E53bIW030992; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:33:40 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Subject: Re: [Buga] KDM on FreeBSD 4.7 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:03:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: David Lloyd , lloy0076@adam.com.au, buga@auug.org.au References: <200305130841.55240.lloy0076@adam.com.au> <200305130803.50773.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20030514023050.GC70087@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20030514023050.GC70087@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305140703.33519.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 14 May 2003 04:30, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > The concept is fine. But why should kdm use the same options as xdm? > One reason might be that it's a modified version, of course, but the > correct answer should be "because it's in the man page". But kdm > doesn't have a man page (or at least it doesn't get installed), and > running it with --help gives nothing useful. Yes, that is annoying, and it would be nice if it had one.. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 From db@dawnbreaks.net Wed May 14 16:54:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F4A99848 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:54:24 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) id 6B75B51A7C; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:54:04 +0930 (CST) Delivered-To: buga@lemis.com Received: from arwen.dawnbreaks.net (eth4771.sa.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.250.162]) by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 26A3551A78 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:54:01 +0930 (CST) Received: (qmail 25816 invoked by uid 1001); 14 May 2003 07:32:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 May 2003 07:32:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:02:25 +0930 (CST) From: db X-X-Sender: db@arwen.lorien.dawnbreaks.net To: SA AUUG Chapter , Linux SA , FreeBSD Adelaide MailingList In-Reply-To: <3EA62E2D.3070904@cs.unisa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030513230609.G23991-100000@arwen.lorien.dawnbreaks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Buga] [REMINDER]: SA-AUUG May Monthly Meeting 14/5/2003, 7pm (New Venue) Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Just a reminder to everyone that this month's AUUG meeting is on tonight (details below). Hope to see you there. A reminder that we'll be having elections after the technical talk, and you really *should* consider (joining and) getting on the AUUG SA committee! regards, David Bullock Chairman, SA Chapter, AUUG On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Benjamin Close wrote: > The South Australian chapter of the Australian Unix User Group (AUUG) > formally invites you to attend their monthly meeting. Details are as > follows: > > * PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE OF VENUE * > > +---------------------------------------- > | SA-AUUG Chapter Meeting > +--------+------------------------------- > | DATE | 14th May 2003 > | TIME | 7pm Onwards > | VENUE | Microbits > | | 35 Magill Road > | | STEPNEY > +--------+------------------------------ > | AGENDA | > +--------+------------------------------ > > * 1. Linux Gaming to the Extreme by Brett Lymns > > Is the last bastion of the Win32 platform crumbling? Some people hate > them, others love them - regardless of what side of the fence you are > one there is no arguing that computer gaming is a big business. A > business that in the PC arena has been fairly much tied up by the > Microsoft operating systems. This is starting to change, this talk > will be a mixture of where the change came from and how things are > changing with a bit of personal experience about how I get my gaming > fix. There is an alternative, come and find out more see a demo and > maybe even get hooked. > > Brett Lymn by day is a Solaris admin (well, that and "other duties" > ;-) for a multinational company, by night a NetBSD hacker and PC > gaming addict. Come hear how he uses Linux to game to the extreme. > > * 2. SA-AUUG Chapter Elections > > Out with the old, in with the new. Once again SA-AUUG will be holding > its yearly chapter elections. All are encouraged to attend and vote > in a new committee and nominate who they want. Nominations can be > sent to sa-auug@auug.org.au or given on the day with the positions > available being: > - Chairperson > - Treasurer > - Secretary > - General Committee member (x2) > > All are welcome to nominate but only SA-AUUG members can vote and > assume a position on the committee. > > * 3. Welcoming in the new committee > > As with any election the new committee members will be formally > welcomed to the ranks of SA-AUUG and a transfer of knowledge will > take place to indicate the way things are. > > ---------------------------------------- > At the conclusion of the meeting many members of the group continue > to talk as they wine and dine at one of the fine local restaurant > establishments to which all are invited. > > Hope to see you there. > > Regards, > SA-AUUG Secretary > > PS: My sincere apologies for the extra two messages. Mozilla and > me aren't on talking terms due to it. > > From grog@lemis.com Thu May 22 13:25:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9679E99E3D; Thu, 22 May 2003 13:25:32 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F357D51A87; Thu, 22 May 2003 13:25:32 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:25:32 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: AUUG SA Chapter , BSD User Group of Adelaide Cc: Mark Prior Message-ID: <20030522035532.GG68593@wantadilla.lemis.com> Reply-To: Mark Prior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OFj+1YLvsEfSXdCH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: AUUG: Australian UNIX and Open Systems User Group Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.auug.org.au/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Subject: [Buga] Re: [aduug] May Unix Lunch Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BSD User Group of Adelaide List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --OFj+1YLvsEfSXdCH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline FYI. ADUUG is what remained of the AUUG SA chapter when it folded some years ago. Mark arranges a lunch once a month, and we normally end up with between 4 and 15 people. Feel free to reply directly to Mark if you'd like to come along. You can also subscribe to the notification list at the URL below. Greg ----- Forwarded message from Mark Prior ----- > Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:17:55 +0930 > From: Mark Prior > To: aduug@mrp.net > Subject: [aduug] May Unix Lunch > > Before we run out of month I thought I better organise something and > as I can't be imaginative in restaurant choice we will return to > somewhere familiar. > > Date: Tuesday 27 May 2003 > Time: 12:45 > Venue: Amalfi, Frome Street > > As usual RSVP if interested. > > Mark. > _______________________________________________ > aduug mailing list > aduug@mrp.net > http://www.mrp.net/mailman/listinfo/aduug ----- End forwarded message ----- -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --OFj+1YLvsEfSXdCH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+zEo0IubykFB6QiMRAvHJAKCQDDvfPlJMD4i48bxQTIly8rbgDQCfRQXq ukweXxjqCCDz84svIZxcUoY= =mLnL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OFj+1YLvsEfSXdCH-- From mrp@mrp.net Thu May 22 13:48:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: buga@auug.org.au Received: from monza.mrp.net (unknown [192.43.230.3]) by www.auug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C5F99E3F; Thu, 22 May 2003 13:48:33 +0930 (CST) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by monza.mrp.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4M4IPeD017689; Thu, 22 May 2003 13:48:33 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from mrp@mrp.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mrp@suzuka.mrp.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030522035532.GG68593@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030522035532.GG68593@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:48:20 +0930 To: AUUG SA Chapter , BSD User Group of Adelaide From: Mark Prior Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [Buga] Re: [aduug] May Unix Lunch Sender: buga-admin@auug.org.au Errors-To: buga-admin@auug.org.au X-BeenThere: buga@auug.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: ,